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	<title>Comments on: Construction Quagmire</title>
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		<title>By: jcricket</title>
		<link>http://seattlecondosandlofts.com/2006/08/construction-quagmire/comment-page-1#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>jcricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, didn&#039;t sense the sarcasm in your original &quot;dig&quot; :-)

Interesting factoid - Did you also know that lots (most) government and WSDOT building projects come in on time and on budget? Check out their web site and read the quarterly reports: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects - Republican propoganda notwithstanding, I&#039;d bet WSDOT is better run than most companies. 

It&#039;s quite possible to do things as big as the viaduct replacement on budget, but not (as you said) with all the cost increases that come about because Seattle dithers forever trying to get consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t sense the sarcasm in your original &#8220;dig&#8221; <img src='http://seattlecondosandlofts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Interesting factoid &#8211; Did you also know that lots (most) government and WSDOT building projects come in on time and on budget? Check out their web site and read the quarterly reports: <a href="http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects</a> &#8211; Republican propoganda notwithstanding, I&#8217;d bet WSDOT is better run than most companies. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite possible to do things as big as the viaduct replacement on budget, but not (as you said) with all the cost increases that come about because Seattle dithers forever trying to get consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben_Kakimoto</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the long run the cut and cover is the best option for the city, I believe.  It may cost more and take longer to construct but the benefits of burying the traffic and  connecting downtown to Elliot bay by opening up the waterfront are enormous, not just from a property standpoint.  But, Seattle&#039;s goverment by consensus isn&#039;t going to get the job done.  The reference to the Big Dig was tongue in cheek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the long run the cut and cover is the best option for the city, I believe.  It may cost more and take longer to construct but the benefits of burying the traffic and  connecting downtown to Elliot bay by opening up the waterfront are enormous, not just from a property standpoint.  But, Seattle&#8217;s goverment by consensus isn&#8217;t going to get the job done.  The reference to the Big Dig was tongue in cheek.</p>
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		<title>By: jcricket</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think it&#039;s good of you to post factual information, this is not the Big Dig 2.

It&#039;s a cut-and-cover tunnel, basically a submerged roadway with a lid. Much like the battery street tunnel, or the lids over I90 on Mercer Island, both of which has zero issues.  

The big dig was hundreds of projects thrown together, miles longer and more varied than the viaduct, buried far deeper under the city.  

Despite all the FUD, the tunnel and any elevated replacement are likely to be equally as safe (or unsafe), giving neither the edge in that regard. 

Also - Any elevated replacement will have to dig far deeper and in different places than the current viaduct, with as much potential for unexpected ground-related issues. 

To me the answer is obvious. Build the tunnel, but find a way to shift more of the cost differential to those that will directly benefit (property owners in that area and the city, which owns the piers + waterfront). People in Seattle are just so whiny about the &quot;high&quot; cost of infrastructure because they see numbers higher than what they saw 20 or 30 years ago. They can&#039;t seem to get over the fact that the continued growth of Seattle (and King County) over the last 50 years necessitates major infrastructure improvements, and those have price tags in the billions. Unless we want to start shrinking as a city, get used to these numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think it&#8217;s good of you to post factual information, this is not the Big Dig 2.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a cut-and-cover tunnel, basically a submerged roadway with a lid. Much like the battery street tunnel, or the lids over I90 on Mercer Island, both of which has zero issues.  </p>
<p>The big dig was hundreds of projects thrown together, miles longer and more varied than the viaduct, buried far deeper under the city.  </p>
<p>Despite all the FUD, the tunnel and any elevated replacement are likely to be equally as safe (or unsafe), giving neither the edge in that regard. </p>
<p>Also &#8211; Any elevated replacement will have to dig far deeper and in different places than the current viaduct, with as much potential for unexpected ground-related issues. </p>
<p>To me the answer is obvious. Build the tunnel, but find a way to shift more of the cost differential to those that will directly benefit (property owners in that area and the city, which owns the piers + waterfront). People in Seattle are just so whiny about the &#8220;high&#8221; cost of infrastructure because they see numbers higher than what they saw 20 or 30 years ago. They can&#8217;t seem to get over the fact that the continued growth of Seattle (and King County) over the last 50 years necessitates major infrastructure improvements, and those have price tags in the billions. Unless we want to start shrinking as a city, get used to these numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Condos and Lofts &#187; Update on Concrete Strike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle Condos and Lofts &#187; Update on Concrete Strike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As mentioned in the Construction Quagmire post the strike was heading to it&#8217;s fourth week, but it has now ended.Â  As mentioned in the Housing Buzz, it could have ended weeks ago since they settled for the exact amount that was previously offered when the strike first started.    &#187; Permalink [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As mentioned in the Construction Quagmire post the strike was heading to it&#8217;s fourth week, but it has now ended.Â  As mentioned in the Housing Buzz, it could have ended weeks ago since they settled for the exact amount that was previously offered when the strike first started.    &raquo; Permalink [...]</p>
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